New EFS utility

A very good patch

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:22 pm

First note:
I maid check box "Selected" placed on "Units statistics" window,
where you can filter out units for selected technologies only.
Just select possessed technologies and open the window then click the check box “Selected”. And the table will show available units.
I wanted to make open\save features, just give me some time. Unfortunately I’am overloaded at work now.

About the second note: yes-yes!
Now I'am afraid I have no time to make patch immediately. I merely gave you instructions for current version.

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:32 pm

No pressure! :D

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:58 pm

:)
I am feeling myself like an artist exhibiting his piece of art for public in a gallery.
Thank you for your remarks and offers.
I’ll try to implement all of them in the next version.

TO Grimly Fiendish 2:
I received your *.dat files and going to examine the glitch.
But I need a tech chart to support your mod fully.
Could you make an attempt to draw it? ;)

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:37 am

I'd love to! But I am not sure when I will have time ...

But I do have Visio. it might not be that hard ...

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:23 pm

Hi!
Are you still here? :D
At last I've maid all changes you wanted.

To Grimly Fiendish 2:
Now the utility copes with your files, but you can
examine the units list for discrepancies only
(for instance 500 "Guild Merchant" needs "999" tech?... )
tech chart is still needed :D
for construction chains derived from/to a certain technology.

Let's download and try the new version from the links
http://reznikovvb.mail333.com/efs_encl_part1.zip (469 Kb)
http://reznikovvb.mail333.com/efs_encl_part2.zip (253 Kb)

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:23 am

Hey Vlad. I'm still here, but won't be working on a Visio tech chart any time soon. Will try the new tool though . . . .

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:26 pm

No problem!
I still hope the tool is the real help in playing EFS. :)
At least with Hyperion. ;)

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:31 pm

Hey Vlad

I've gotten your tech tree tool to work for Hyperion and it looks great. I appreciate the work you've done and applaud your willingness to make improvements.

I have a suggestion. Your program is great for analyzing an existing tech tree that is complex. But what about a simpler tool to work on developing a tech tree that is incomplete?

The difficulty with tree development is that there is no way to merge data from a tech.dat and a unit.dat. That is, you can look at a tech tree and determine the inputs to each tech, and you can make a tech chart that shows both inputs and outputs for each tech node. But a tech that has 3 outputs to other techs (for example, a Bio tech branches to 2 bio techs and an Applied tech) might be used as an input for 20 units in the unit file. So the tech chart doesn't show how important a tech really is. And you don't want to make a perfect tech chart when you aren't done with your tech.dat yet.

In your program, you show these downstream techs and units in a list. Would it be easy to take out the visual part and just have a program that (1) opens a tech.dat and shows, in different windows or columns, (a) inputs (b) outputs (c) number of inputs (d) number of outputs (e) class of node (root, pure, bio/physics/social, applied) (f) units that use the tech and (2) opens a unit.dat and shows tech inputs.

Other things that could be shown are, some way of calculating a node value/research cost, like/hate, Manowitz chapter and text, upgrades to units, etc etc.

Would this be easy to do?

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:19 pm

Hi guys!
I am here at last! Sorry for silence!
I was out of town due to my work for a several weeks. :(
Now I returned and get ready for developing the utility.
Thank you, Grimly, for such a big post, full of fresh ideas. ;)
Frankly speaking, I didn't grasp the idea complitely at first sight.
Certainly I'll think it over and try to implement in future revision.

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:55 pm

That's great!

To clarify, I meant that just windows and lists that read from all dat files are enough. Visuals help, but are a lot of work!

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:47 am

:) Happy New Year, my dear friends!!! :)

A New Years day that's perfect,
All you've dreamed, and more,
A whole year, that will bring you,
The wishes, you're wishing for.
A home, blessed with contentment,
Good fortune, all year through,
And happiness in endless ways,
'Tis my New Years wish, for you.

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:09 pm

Thanks Vlad. Same to you!

But how will this help us to kick butt?

;)

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Vlad » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:34 pm

h'm!... I have no idea! :)
I hope to realize your suggestion next (this) year :roll:

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Grimly Fiendish 2 » Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:40 pm

:)

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Re: New EFS utility

Postby Matt Caspermeyer » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:18 am

Vlad:

I really want to apologize to you for not putting your utility up on my website.

I've been so out of EFS this past year, but I'm going to try to find some time to get back into EFS this year.

Let me see if I can find my ftp password so I can put your stuff up on my site.

Matt
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